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Written by Robert Barr   

The EDHEC experience

Extreme parties, networking and the prestigious, door-opening name of the EDHEC written on your degree… This is what students expect from their education at one of France’s business Grandes Écoles. But is it enough? What should we expect from the economic future of a country whose graduates actually lack real interest in their subject?

"Grande École"... Already the name sounds awe-inspiring and very much like "grandeur." This is the term with which the French modestly tag those universities in their country which are thought to be the best, the crème de la crème! And so, I did not hesitate for long when my home university in Bayreuth, Germany, offered a place at one of those Grandes Écoles, the EDHEC.

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La Grande Place in Lille

Two months later I arrived in Lille on the weekend of the "Braderie de Lille," Europe's biggest flea market. Every year, for the first weekend of September, the entire city centre of Lille is closed to cars and open to those seeking to sell or to test their haggling skills. I made my first culinary encounters with French cuisine and bought what I needed to make myself feel at home in the new apartment, whilst strolling through the picturesque narrow streets of Vieux Lille with my new French coloc (flatmate).

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Lille's coat of arms.

The following day I decided to go on campus and mentally prepared myself for an ordeal, expecting a full day of administrational hassle and chaos. Surprisingly, however, there was no sign of the organisational hell usually described by many other students who have made the acquaintance of French bureaucracy. This was the first of many occasions to come which made me realise that paying several thousands of euros per term might entail some pretty tangible advantages… From the very first day and throughout the whole term, I was taken care of as a foreigner. Not only by the EDHEC's international office, which really made a huge effort in assisting with practical and organisational matters, but also by the student-run association "Open Up," a couple of welcoming EDHEC students who became good friends.

Studying at EDHEC

And at this point, most of the positive things I have to say about my experiences at one of France's top five business schools have pretty much been said.

To put my experiences in a nutshell, studying at EDHEC made me feel as if I had been transported back into old school days when many students couldn't care less about what they actually learned. In my course of "Management Accounting", students chatted in front of the professor in obnoxiously loud voices.

I asked myself, how it is possible that the allegedly best schools in the country attract such under-motivated students?!

In "Strategic Management" some of them slept in class in a painfully obvious way. Almost everybody had their laptops on the table, but they were using them for anything but taking notes, and students being sent out of class on a regular basis seemed only fair. It was, however, strange - somehow absurd in a funny way - when the Director of Studies addressed the whole of my year via email telling them off for their behaviour, very much like back in school.

I asked myself, how it is possible that the allegedly best schools in the country attract such under-motivated students?! It took me some months to gain a better insight into the French system of higher education and to come to the following conclusion:

profile_pic1Robert Barr

Robert is 23 and originally from Bayreuth in Germany.

He is currently studying Philosophy & Economics at Bayreuth University.

He describes Europe as "a great revolution in slow motion and a huge opportunity... or something to that effect."

First of all, many business students unfortunately don't appear to have chosen their programme for an inherent interest in the field but rather because of the increased likelihood of one day reaching a higher income bracket. While this might already not be the ideal motivation, the problem is further aggravated by the fact that once you get into a Grande École, grades lose their importance. To the French private economy, and thus to the future employers of EDHEC students, the name of the École where you have studied seems to be the only thing that matters. The students, seemingly fully aware of this, reduce their study efforts to a bare minimum so that they pass the exams. This aversion to studying might actually have its roots in the two years preceding entrance to the Grandes Écoles: to enter the best universities in the country, French students need to visit an École Préparatoire, a two-year programme of studium generale at the end of which they take centralised exams. In this period, they have to work very hard and practically renounce their social lives in order to achieve the necessary grades to study at EDHEC.

Once they have arrived at EDHEC, hard work seems to be replaced by partying hard.

Decadence and parties

Granted, those two years of École Préparatoire sound like hard work and it can be regarded as a major achievement to be given a place at EDEHC. But the way EDHEC students live out the newly won freedom is rather extreme.

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The 'Course Croisièrs' at their best.

Most of the university's day-to-day social life seems to revolve around the various associations which the students join in their first year. Being selected by the right group seems to be the greatest worry of many first year students, who are willing to go through bemusing to demeaning procedures in order to join their association of choice. The idea of becoming a "nobod(y)" (someone who has not been accepted by any of the associations) constitutes a real and nerve-racking threat to many of the first year students. One of my most outrageous encounters whilst studying at EDHEC was certainly the association "Course Croisièrs" (recognisable by the fact that they have to run around in red jackets whenever they leave the house), an association where members are obliged to act like aggressive imbeciles in the first few weeks of term when on campus or at any of the numerous parties, in order to show that they belong to the same "superior" group.

At a Grande École where students are preached to on many occasions that they are the elite of France and will one day hold the reins in the leading companies of Europe's second biggest economy, I had a hard time finding students who would justify being labelled as elite.

EDHEC students celebrate themselves once a month at so called Open Bar (flat rate drinking) parties, which seem to constitute the climax of decadence for many of them. Open Bar parties seem have one rule: every time you go to the bar, instead of ordering one drink per person, you order three: one for the barman's face, the second for the poor fellow's face standing behind you and the third for yourself to drink. With this technique, you can be sure to end up completely soaked in alcohol after 15 minutes. You're wondering why the hell anybody would enjoy that? I wondered too… and the only answer I found was: because they can afford it.

At a Grande École where students are preached to on many occasions that they are the elite of France and will one day hold the reins in the leading companies of Europe's second biggest economy, I had a hard time finding students who would justify being labelled as elite. In my opinion EDHEC does not live up to the reputation it has. It does, however, live up to its name: Grande École. But only if you take that name by its literal meaning, "big school."

 

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+3 #1 Jessica 2011-04-20 11:06
Dear Robert,

I understand your disappointment with your semester abroad - the reputation of the Grandes Ecoles builds up some expectations.

Having studied at Sciences Po in Paris last Fall Semester I cannot support your opinion. First, I might have though similar things: "These guys speak such an awful English-and they want to be smart?" or "They only give presentations about topics that are so broad that my little sister could answer the 'research question' and they involve almost no academic research, whatsoever". Of course, this makes you feel great, coming from a "normal" university (and for the latter comment it makes you feel very German with regard to academia).

However, I also encountered incredibly smart, committed and ambitious students at Sciences Po - just not in the courses taught in English which are often an annoying requirement

The French teaching style is different-getting used to it is what a semester abroad is all about!
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+5 #2 Jessica 2011-04-20 11:08
And just a short remark about the partying: work hard play hard - after all student from Oxford repeatedly claimed to be the ones who can handle more alcohol than other UK-students... are they stupid - depends on your way of defining the term!
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0 #3 Massimiliano 2011-06-20 13:52
Dear Robert,

I would like to ask your personal advice in relation to the experience you just had at Edhec.

First of all I’m missing an important distinction that I couldn’t clearly understand from your article.
The point is if the actual didactic standards were appropriate enough to consider Edhec part of the “Grande École” system and the principal cause of your understandable disappointment was the big lack of student’s effort or if even the whole school environment; lectures, teacher’s preparation and international body of students was nothing special when compared to other European universities not so renowned as Edhec.

My final question is if you would recommend Edhec and Edhec’s experience for graduate education in particular the MIM Business track they offer in Lille.

Thank you indeed for your time.

Massimiliano
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-9 #4 Shacklebott 2011-09-22 14:18
Robert,

I have randomly stumbled on this article through one of my team members who sent it to me, thinking I may have written it.

Not only have I quickly realised that both students AND professors could not speak English properly but neither is the content of the course any challenging as it can easily be understood by a high school student. Regarding high school habits, it is normal at EDHEC not to be allowed in class because you are 3 minutes late (despite paying the most expensive tuition fees amongst French business schools)and a French student once kindly required a foreign Indian student to "shut the f*** up" as he was simply asking a question at the end of a lecture.

I shall not reiterate what you have written as it conveys what I have been feeling so far really well but thank you for an insightful view on the French Grande Ecoles !

Shacklebott
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+4 #5 S.P. 2011-09-22 19:40
Dear Robert,

I’m a French EDHEC student and I think that you shouldn’t be too harsh on the experience you had here.

The point of such a school is to gather a variety of students. For this reason, you will obviously find a bunch of them not caring much about their studies, some jerks, others passionate about them, some lost in their carrier choice, some knowing what they want and how to achieve it, etc. It is simply representative of human nature. Being in a Grande École, being in what some call the elite, does not mean you are perfect. It is much more complex than that. Furthermore, don’t forget that EDHEC has a role to play in the evolution of students during a few years.

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+9 #6 S.P. 2011-09-22 19:41
If you’re sufficiently mature, I think that EDHEC is a great experience simply because it gives you a multitude of choices. You get to choose what to study, who to work with, which association to go for, which sport team to integrate, who to go out with, etc. It’s all about choice.

From a poor background, I am proud to be a student at EDHEC. I worked hard for it and I am willing to make the most of it on both academic/professional and personal sides. This only reflects my opinion as your article does for yours but I am sure to represent a group of students over there. They may be more discret than others ;)

Take care

S.P.
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+15 #7 Julie 2011-09-22 21:39
As an EDHEC student, I can't say you're completely right, nor can I deny that you do have a few points.
I would like to say that everyone is not like that at EDHEC, there are many students who don't enjoy these so-called "open bars" and thus don't go! I do agree with you on the fact that there is an outrageous amount of aggressive imbeciles, but you don't have to be friends with them, or talk to them at all.
EDHEC is a grande école, all students are adults, and it is up to them to choose the way they want to live those 3 years at EDHEC. If they want to drink themselves dead and spend more time running associations than working, it's fine... Plus, being in an association actually gives you some experience of "the real world".

Again, EDHEC is full of different people, everyone's not decadent, and please remember it took a serious amount of pure hard work to get there. I am proud and happy to be where I am, even though I don't care about associations or open bars.
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0 #8 John 2011-09-23 01:52
Party pooper... NERD!!!!!
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+14 #9 Ph.Girard 2011-09-23 15:24
As a former EDHEC student (10 years ago), I was very interested in reading your article.
You did demonstrate how narrow minded you are regarding “Grande Ecole” status.
I think nobody imposed you to party, to participate to any association; life is a matter of choice and freedom.
One thing I can confirm without any arrogance is that I do have a very good position in a world leading company.
I am not considering those who hired me as stupid people, so I may have learned something during 3 years at Edhec even though I was going out, partying …
Last but not least, there is actually no chance that I will one day hire you. I do need more open minded people.

Good luck
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+7 #10 AA 2011-09-23 19:50
Another Edhec student passing by .. Here are my five cents:

We're not under motivated, we just have other motivations.

We do learn and study, but just our way.

You can't reduce the french educative system to the Classe Préparatoire and Grandes Ecoles. German and french system are just totally different.

Some of the course croisière members do look stupid but it's part of the role they're playing, and they don't bite.

Associations do give you great experiences you can build on. It's not only about being part of some group.

You don't like Open Bars, you don't come. I don't like Sauerkraut, I don't eat. But I don't consider people eating it to be stupid.

Bis bald.
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